Debbie has read in the history pages that “by 1871 Kings Norton had a Nursery Garden owned by Mr Henry Pope”. She is currently researching her family history and believes that Henry was a son of Thomas Pope who was in turn the eldest son of Luke Pope (born 1740).

She is looking for information on the nursery, when it was established, its location etc. She thinks that the Pope family had several established nurseries in the Smethwick / Handsworth / Cotteridge area and is trying to establish if Henry set the nursery up himself or if in fact it was in Cotteridge before this and his father Thomas established it.

6 Responses to “Popes Drive”

  • Tony:

    Tony wonders if these Popes might have given their name to Popes Lane, which runs between Wychall Lane and Middleton Hall Road.

  • Steven:

    Stephen Worthington replies:
    Popes Drive was indeed named after the Pope family Debbie mentions. My grandfather remarried almost two decades ago, and we quickly discovered that my step-grandmother was a direct descendant of the Pope family; a family she knew next to nothing about. My father (David Worthington) has since researched the family and found that they were extremely important in the Birmingham area during their day, with several plant nurseries dotted around the city. One of the nurseries relocated to what was then into countryside, in Kings Norton, and the two brothers had houses either side of a small road leading to their nursery. That drive was, as you may have guessed, Popes Drive.

  • Wendy:

    Has David Worthington published any of his research on the Pope nurseries? My father, Ronald Pope, told me that someone in our family once had a nursery at the end of Pope’s Lane, but I had no idea that there was a whole horticultural dynasty until I started to try to connect an etching of Luke Pope with the artist Henry Pope, who my great aunt told me was my great great grandfather. As far as I can see, he wasn’t – he was his brother, but he seems to have married my great great grandfather’s widow (which I’m sure was illegal at the time).
    As a keen gardener I’m really pleased to discover that gardening is in my genes, but don’t know where to look for more information about the development of the nurseries.

  • Carla Sheasby:

    I have found information online about the POPE family :
    see:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=36177
    “Luke Pope of Smethwick founded a notable firm of nurserymen specializing in tulips and later in North American shrubs and plants. He was successively described as gardener, seedsman, and nurseryman during the late 18th and early 19th centuries when he was buying up various small copyhold estates in Smethwick. By 1771 he had established nurseries in the north-east of Smethwick near the Ruck of Stones farm, and by the mid 19th century the firm, then known as John Pope & Sons, also had nurseries in the adjacent parts of Handsworth and West Bromwich. (fn. 67)”

    Birmingham City Archives acquired this:
    Luke Linnaeus Pope: volume of botanical watercolours c1825 (MS 2138) they have published a few of the drawings – see :
    http://theironroom.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/bloomin-marvellous/

    he is my 4th great grandfather on my father’s side of the family
    since I live in Oz I am unable to see the book of drawings in Bham but if anyone else gets access please ask them to publish more via the Ironroom website – thanks … I also have the artistic gene by the way !

  • Tracy:

    Steven, Wendy and Carla.

    My name is Tracy and I live in the USA, Charles Pope the brother of Henry is my Great Grandfather (Charles not Henry). I have been researching the family history since 2003 and have managed to put together several family members. I believe that there are still 2 maybe 3 branches of the family yet to discover. I think you may be them. I have a copy of the book about Henry entitled, “The Life and Times of Henry Pope” as well as several birth/death and marriage certs. I am at a loss as to how we might all get in touch with each to compare notes but I would bet my research that we are all in fact related. There are cousins in the USA, Germany, France, Wales, Scotland and of course, England.

  • Izzy:

    Steve, Wendy and Carla,

    I hope this response is not too many years out of date. I am researching a Pope ancestor called Ebenezer Pope who was born in 1764 whereabouts unknown. But he died aged 31 in 1795 of smallpox having become an apothecary at the public dispensary in Lincoln’s Inn. I have reason to believe he may be from the same family as Luke Pope and that he might have come from Birmingham. His widow, Anna-Maria Eves then married the Hon. John Coventry (family home quite near Birmingham) but she had obviously gone to live there after Ebenezer’s death – or so it say’s in their engagement. Possibly the Birmingham Pope family had looked after her? We have a family Armiger for him but cannot trace his birth or anyone else with that coat of arms.

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